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Thursday, November 19, 2009 · sitting No. 113
House approves committee travel motions for studies on poverty, crime and Arctic sovereignty
The House spent the largest share of its time on committee business. The Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food presented a report on Canada's state trading enterprises and supply management. The Standing Committee on Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities received authorization for eight members to travel to Vancouver, Whitehorse, Yellowknife, Edmonton and Winnipeg for a study on federal contributions to reducing poverty. Similar travel motions passed for the justice committee's organized crime study and the national defence committee's Arctic sovereignty study.
Question period featured repeated exchanges on Afghanistan detainee issues. Liberal MP Bob Rae pressed the government on testimony from diplomat Richard Colvin regarding alleged mistreatment and instructions to remain silent. Defence Minister Peter MacKay replied that no proven cases of abuse by Canadian Forces exist and that Colvin's evidence rests on hearsay from Taliban sources.
The House also debated second reading of Bill C-57, the Canada-Jordan free trade agreement. Conservative MP Gerald Keddy urged members to assess the agreement on its merits. Liberal MP Scott Brison and NDP MP Peter Julian raised concerns about human rights and the need for broader trade diversification.
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Who held the floor · 2009-11-19
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The Environment
Bloc Québécois MP Bernard Bigras asked the government to match targets set by China, the United States and Russia ahead of the Copenhagen summit. Environment Minister Jim Prentice replied that Canada is pursuing a national plan with North American harmonization.
Read the exchangePolitical Party Financing
Bloc Québécois MP Michel Guimond accused the government of ignoring ethics violations after directors of Jacques Cartier and Champlain Bridges Incorporated attended a Conservative fundraiser. Transport Minister John Baird said Senator Housakos had referred the matter to the Senate ethics officer.
Read the exchangeTax Harmonization
NDP MP David Christopherson said the federal government pushed Ontario into the HST. Finance Minister Jim Flaherty replied that harmonization is a provincial decision that began in the 1990s.
Read the exchangeIsrael
Conservative MP Candice Hoeppner said the Liberals accused Israel of war crimes in 2006. Minister of State Peter Kent said Canada was the first country to cut funding to the Hamas-led government.
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- deflectedAfghanistanBob Rae (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the credibility of the testimony instead of addressing the request for a public inquiry.
what is being relied upon here is nothing short of hearsay, second- or third-hand information, or that which came directly from the Taliban.
- deflectedAfghanistanBob Rae (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer continues to question the evidence's credibility rather than responding to the call for an inquiry.
It is based on second- and third-hand information and Taliban information.
- deflectedAfghanistanBob Rae (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer focuses on discrediting sources and Colvin instead of engaging with the inquiry request.
We are being asked to accept testimony from people who throw acid in the faces of schoolchildren and who blow up buses of civilians in their own country.
- misdirectedAfghanistanUjjal Dosanjh (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer pivots to quoting a third party to undermine Colvin rather than addressing the claim that the PM knew of the cover-up.
I think what set me back is how serious the allegations are and how flimsy the evidence is
- deflectedAfghanistanUjjal Dosanjh (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer criticizes the opposition for seeking an inquiry beyond existing processes without addressing the call for one.
members opposite clearly have no faith in the parliamentary process itself because they are calling for another process to get under way in addition to the Military Police Complaints Commission
- deflectedAfghanistanMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer promotes government actions and labels the inquiry call a witch hunt instead of addressing the reports to the PMO.
- deflectedAfghanistanMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer defends inherited arrangements and investments while dismissing the torture claim without addressing the PM's knowledge.
To suggest that every single Taliban prisoner was tortured is not credible.
- deflectedAfghanistanMr. Claude Bachand (Bloc) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer highlights gaps in Colvin's testimony rather than addressing the Geneva Convention point or inquiry call.
Mr. Colvin himself admitted he had no first-hand evidence to give.
- deflectedAfghanistanMr. Claude Bachand (Bloc) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer denies restriction but immediately shifts to attacking Colvin's credibility instead of resolving the testimony impasse.
We are not restricting him from doing so.
- deflectedAfghanistanJack Layton (NDP) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer highlights past actions and claims transparency but refuses to address the call for a public inquiry.
To suggest somehow that this is being covered up, we have been responding to questions in the House, in parliamentary committees, in the media, at the Military Police Complaints Commission.
- deflectedAfghanistanJack Layton (NDP) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer repeats past actions and dismisses Colvin while ignoring the explicit request for an inquiry into who knew what.
Mr. Colvin's accusations are completely unsubstantiated.
- misdirectedAfghanistanJack Layton (NDP) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer ignores the factual question on detainee numbers and instead attacks the asker for relying on Taliban evidence.
quite frankly what is insulting is the hon. member continuing to take at face value evidence that comes, in most circumstances in this context, from the Taliban itself.
- partly answeredAfghanistanRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer identifies the prior transfer agreement as the issue addressed two years earlier, directly responding to the evidence question.
The short answer, Mr. Speaker, is the inadequate failed transfer agreement that was left in place by the previous government.
- deflectedAfghanistanRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer claims action on multiple sources but evades why Colvin was promoted and attacks the opposition instead.
- misdirectedAfghanistanMarlene Jennings (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer refuses the briefing notes request and pivots to attacking opposition members and the Taliban.
What is shocking is we have members opposite who are lawyers who want to completely ignore due process
- deflectedAfghanistanMarlene Jennings (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer discusses general encouragement of testimony but avoids any guarantee against retaliation toward Colvin.
we encourage people to come forward when they have evidence to give.
- deflectedThe EnvironmentMr. Bernard Bigras (Bloc) asked Jim Prentice (Conservative). loaded question.The answer corrects the premise and restates the plan without addressing good-faith negotiation at Copenhagen.
what the hon. member is saying is incorrect.
- misdirectedThe EnvironmentMr. Bernard Bigras (Bloc) asked Jim Prentice (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the former Liberal government instead of addressing Quebec consensus or Alberta influence.
We will never do what the former Liberal government did, supported by the Bloc, which was to fly over to an international conference, pull out of the air a target on the way
- deflectedPolitical Party FinancingMr. Michel Guimond (Bloc) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.The answer highlights the Accountability Act and refers the matter elsewhere without addressing condoning the violation.
it is this government that brought in the Federal Accountability Act, which brought more transparency, more accountability to government, to our agencies, to our boards and commissions.
- deflectedPolitical Party FinancingMr. Michel Guimond (Bloc) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.The answer again refers the matter to the ethics officer without addressing complicity or double standards.
Senator Housakos has sent this matter to the Senate ethics officer, an independent officer of the Senate.
- misdirectedThe EnvironmentMr. David McGuinty (Liberal) asked Jim Prentice (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks Liberal inconsistencies on Kyoto and carbon tax rather than addressing Canada's Copenhagen stance.
I will tell the House who not to expect anything from, and that is the Liberal Party.
- misdirectedThe EnvironmentMr. David McGuinty (Liberal) asked Jim Prentice (Conservative). loaded question.The answer dismisses Liberal lectures and repeats past failures instead of addressing green stimulus or Copenhagen role.
I am not going to stand in this chamber and take lectures from the Liberals on Kyoto and on Copenhagen and climate change, because they did nothing.
- partly answeredThe EnvironmentScott Brison (Liberal) asked Jim Prentice (Conservative). loaded question.The answer corrects facts on China dialogue and states Canadian investments but does not fully explain the missed deal.
We signed a clean energy dialogue with the United States shortly after President Obama came to office.
- deflectedInternational TradeScott Brison (Liberal) asked Peter Kent (Conservative). loaded question.The answer cites export growth and infrastructure spending without addressing China engagement failures or canola ban.
Between 2006 and 2008 Canada's exports to China grew by over 33%.
- deflectedAfghanistanMr. Paul Dewar (NDP) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer restates official positions on law and no proven cases but avoids addressing the cover-up claims or public inquiry request.
First, there has never been a single, solitary proven allegation of abuse involving a transferred prisoner from Canadian Forces.
- misdirectedAfghanistanMr. Jack Harris (NDP) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the questioner's legal credentials and changes focus to prisoner numbers rather than addressing the inquiry request.
What is a charade, Mr. Speaker, is someone who purports to be a lawyer standing and saying that we should just accept evidence without any test, any process whatsoever that questions what is happening.
- deflectedForestry IndustryMr. Robert Bouchard (Bloc) asked Denis Lebel (Conservative). substantive question.The answer quotes local figures on the mill closure but does not address why federal assistance comparable to the auto sector is refused.
Produits forestiers Saguenay will monitor developments in the market in the coming months and may resume operations if there is a significant improvement in demand and prices.
- deflectedForestry IndustryMr. Robert Bouchard (Bloc) asked Denis Lebel (Conservative). substantive question.The answer dismisses the question as disinformation and shifts responsibility to Quebec while avoiding loan guarantees.
this is more disinformation, as usual.
- deflectedGovernment AppointmentsWayne Easter (Liberal) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.The answer highlights Transparency International rankings but does not address the broken promise on the appointments commission or specific patronage counts.
It found that Canada, under this government, since we took office, has moved up from 14th to 8th place in the world.
- deflectedGovernment AppointmentsMr. Marcel Proulx (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.The answer pivots to campaign finance reforms instead of addressing the specific cross-funding and patronage appointment allegations.
It was the Prime Minister who promised to eliminate the influence of big money in politics.
- deflectedTax HarmonizationMr. David Christopherson (NDP) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.The answer notes historical provincial decisions on HST but avoids admitting any federal role in pushing Ontario's tax increase.
the harmonization initiative with the provinces started in the 1990s with Newfoundland and Labrador, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia.
- deflectedTax HarmonizationMr. David Christopherson (NDP) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.The answer again emphasizes provincial choice and history without engaging the request to free MPs to vote against the HST.
This is an issue that is up to the provinces.
- deflectedAir TransportationJoseph Volpe (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.The answer avoids the accusation of duplicity by attacking the prior Liberal government instead of addressing current passenger rights policy.
I noticed that the member who asked the question was a member of the Liberal government that was in power for 13 long years.
- partly answeredBusiness of the HouseRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Jay Hill (Conservative). substantive question.The answer outlines the business schedule but inserts partisan criticism of opposition delays rather than fully addressing the NAFO debate request.
I would point out to my colleagues that this bill has already received more than 30 hours of debate in the House and yet the NDP and the Bloc continue to delay the proceedings
- misdirectedPrivilegeIrwin Cotler (Liberal) asked Peter Kent (Conservative). loaded question.The curt reply dismisses the detailed privilege complaint by insulting the asker instead of engaging the substance.
- answeredPrivilegeIrwin Cotler (Liberal) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.The answer directly rebuts the privilege claims by presenting counter-facts on the Durban conference participation.
The Liberal Party was in government in 2001 and willingly partook in the Durban conference at that time
- partly answeredPrivilegeStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Jay Hill (Conservative). loaded question.The answer stresses the relevance of facts in the privilege debate but does not fully address the misrepresentation claim.
it is important that some balance be brought to this discussion