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Monday, November 24, 2008 · sitting No. 5

Throne speech debate resumes as MPs clash over economy

The resumption of debate on the address in reply to the speech from the throne occupied half the sitting. Bloc Québécois MP Jean-Yves Roy said the address offered no concrete measures for the manufacturing sector despite the early recall of the House. Bloc Québécois MP Paul Crête said the government had ignored the recent election results in Quebec.

In question period Liberal MP John McCallum asked why the prime minister had shifted from calling deficits stupid to essential. Conservative MP Ted Menzies replied that the government would continue cutting taxes where possible while facing difficult economic times. Liberal MP Gerard Kennedy pressed for a plan to aid the auto sector and Conservative MP Tony Clement said the government had created an auto innovation fund without offering blank cheques.

Decided that day

  • Amendment to address defeated
  • Bill C-227 introduced

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Who held the floor · 2008-11-24

Government (Conservative)OppositionOver the day: government 43%, opposition 57% of the words spokenSpeech From The ThroneQuestion PeriodSpeech From The Throne▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 11:0012:0013:0014:0015:0016:00Last speech 17:40Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 6 h 40 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
39Debate dominates, little gets doneThe sitting devoted most time to resuming debate on the address in reply, with scant substantive business. One amendment failed and a single bill was introduced.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Other moments

Seniors

Liberal MP Marlene Jennings said the government was forcing seniors to sell assets at market lows to meet RRIF requirements, and Conservative MP Ted Menzies said the finance minister had written to institutions to allow penalty-free rollovers.

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Securities Industry

Bloc Québécois MP Pierre Paquette said a single securities commission would end entrepreneurship in Quebec's financial sector, and Conservative MP Ted Menzies said Canada remained the only industrialized country without one.

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Forestry Industry

Liberal MP Anthony Rota asked what the government would tell laid-off forestry workers in northern Ontario, and Conservative MP Lisa Raitt pointed to the community development trust as a means of aiding transitions.

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Justice

Liberal MP Irwin Cotler said the government should seek Omar Khadr's return from Guantanamo Bay, and Conservative MP Lawrence Cannon said any request would be premature while legal appeals continued.

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Ukraine

Conservative MP James Bezan said November 22 marked the first national Holodomor Memorial Day and recognized the 1932-33 famine-genocide as a deliberate Soviet crime against Ukrainians.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. misdirected
    The EconomyJohn McCallum (Liberal) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.Question assumes deception and attacks credibility; answer ignores this to attack Liberals instead.I would hate to think where we would be if we had actually elected a Liberal government, because we would have an increased tax on Canadians at a time when they can least afford it.
  2. deflected
    The EconomyJohn McCallum (Liberal) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.Question demands explanation of deficit shift; answer pivots to past Liberal election loss without addressing the claim.those are pretty harsh words coming from someone on the Liberal side, which actually lost the last election because the Liberals ran an election on a carbon tax that would have cost Canadians billions of dollars.
  3. deflected
    The EconomyJohn McCallum (Liberal) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.Question challenges use of 'technical recession' as misleading; answer quotes UK policy instead of responding.When we have been talking on this side of the House of what stimulates the economy, Alistair Darling, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, said today, "To prevent the recession deepening, we also need to take action to put money into the economy immediately....the best and fairest approach is a measure which will help everyone.... A much needed injection of spending"--by reducing the value added tax--"will make goods and services cheaper and, by encouraging spending, will help stimulate growth".
  4. misdirected
    The EconomyScott Brison (Liberal) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.Question accuses of killing contingency reserve for ideological reasons; answer dismisses it as fictional and attacks Liberals.it is ironic that the hon. member would once again raise the contingency fund, the fictional contingency fund.
  5. deflected
    The EconomyScott Brison (Liberal) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.Question asks about future cuts after attacking past spending; answer repeats attacks on Liberal 'fictional' plans without addressing cuts.we have heard about this fictional contingency fund. We have heard about the fictional Kelowna accord and the fictional child care plan.
  6. partly answered
    The EconomyMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). substantive question.Question asks why no immediate stimulus; answer cites prior tax cuts as pre-emptive action.We took those pre-emptive moves in our fall economic update a year ago.
  7. answered
    The EconomyMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). substantive question.Question presses for immediate action and political will; answer lists specific funds already implemented.We also established a $1 billion community development trust fund that was specifically set up for communities that were impacted by layoffs, many of them in Quebec and many in northern Ontario.
  8. partly answered
    The EconomyMr. Jean-Yves Laforest (Bloc) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). substantive question.Question urges immediate action on manufacturing; answer welcomes suggestions but does not commit to timing.I would like to take this opportunity to welcome those suggestions from the Bloc this morning.
  9. deflected
    The EconomyMr. Jean-Yves Laforest (Bloc) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). substantive question.The answer shifts focus to individual tax cuts instead of addressing manufacturing recession or stimulus measures.We have some challenges ahead of us but we need to recognize that the bulk of the tax cuts that we put in place went to individuals so they could make their own decisions about how to spend that money.
  10. deflected
    The EconomyJack Layton (NDP) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). substantive question.The answer quotes an unrelated NDP government statement rather than explaining the distinction or its impact on families.This comes from the Manitoba NDP government's Speech from the Throne: The global crisis presents a fundamental choice between stepping back from planned tax reductions or providing predictability to businesses and citizens.
  11. deflected
    The EconomyJack Layton (NDP) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). substantive question.The answer defers to a future update and requests suggestions instead of committing to protect savings, mortgages or pensions.We are also looking forward to the fall economic update on Thursday.
  12. partly answered
    The EconomyJack Layton (NDP) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). substantive question.The answer references prior EI changes but does not address immediate improvements requested.that is why we put the changes to the EI system in budget 2008.
  13. deflected
    Automotive IndustryMr. Gerard Kennedy (Liberal) asked Tony Clement (Conservative). substantive question.The answer defends past actions and rejects blank cheques without outlining a concrete plan for the auto sector.In fact, this government has been working hard with the auto sector.
  14. misdirected
    Automotive IndustryMr. Gerard Kennedy (Liberal) asked Tony Clement (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the Liberal record instead of confirming whether an impact study was conducted.We are not like Liberals who send money and blank cheques to wherever without a plan.
  15. answered
    SeniorsMarlene Jennings (Liberal) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.The answer directly explains the pre-emptive measures taken on RRSP to RRIF rollovers.On Friday, the finance minister wrote letters to all of the federally regulated institutions that handle RRSPs and RRIFs and told them that they had to allow seniors to roll penalty-free.
  16. partly answered
    SeniorsMarlene Jennings (Liberal) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.The answer restates prior actions but does not address the specific tax-payment problem raised.We have taken pre-emptive moves.
  17. deflected
    Securities IndustryMr. Pierre Paquette (Bloc) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.The answer discusses general benefits of a common regulator without addressing the impact on Quebec stakeholders.It should be our shame because we are stopping investments from coming in from outside.
  18. deflected
    Securities IndustryMr. Pierre Paquette (Bloc) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). substantive question.The answer notes the retraction and reiterates general points on jurisdiction without engaging the passport system or Ontario dominance claim.it is interesting how in retracting his statement, he was able to say it one more time.
  19. deflected
    Arts and CultureMrs. Carole Lavallée (Bloc) asked James Moore (Conservative). substantive question.The answer promotes overall arts spending and voting advice without addressing the specific replacement program or CINARS figures.If my colleague wants to walk the talk, she should vote for the Speech from the Throne.
  20. deflected
    Arts and CultureMrs. Carole Lavallée (Bloc) asked James Moore (Conservative). loaded question.The answer repeats the 8% spending increase and Bloc voting record without addressing the Vancouver Olympics allocation or tour cancellations.
  21. partly answered
    InfrastructureMrs. Lise Zarac (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.The answer acknowledges meetings and the need for quick decisions but does not address the $3 billion delay or deficit cover-up claim.we must make decisions as quickly as possible and we must give the green light to important projects
  22. answered
    InfrastructureMrs. Lise Zarac (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.The answer directly denies using funds for the deficit and commits to expediting approvals with municipalities.
  23. deflected
    Forestry IndustryMr. Anthony Rota (Liberal) asked Lisa Raitt (Conservative). substantive question.The answer references the Speech from the Throne on markets and innovation without providing a specific plan for forestry workers.In the Speech from the Throne, we committed to continuing assisting their industries through new market opportunities and through investments in innovation.
  24. partly answered
    Forestry IndustryMr. Anthony Rota (Liberal) asked Lisa Raitt (Conservative). substantive question.The answer cites the community development trust and a quote on transitions but does not detail current actions for laid-off workers.This program has helped our members and other forest workers in the north make the early transition to retirement possible, and in the process created job opportunities for others--
  25. deflected
    FinanceMr. Glenn Thibeault (NDP) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). substantive question.The answer states the government does not regulate fees and suggests alternatives instead of addressing intervention.might I remind hon. members that we as a government do not regulate the fees charged in the financial sector on exchange rates.
  26. deflected
    FinanceMr. Glenn Thibeault (NDP) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). substantive question.The answer points to the Competition Bureau and denies federal jurisdiction rather than committing to consumer protection action.However, I remind the hon. member that it is not a federally regulated jurisdiction.
  27. partly answered
    International TradeMr. Serge Cardin (Bloc) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). loaded question.The answer cites specific human rights sections in the agreement but does not address the justification for signing despite Colombia's record.In chapter 16 in particular, I believe sections 16.3 and 16.4 relate to human rights and the rights of workers.
  28. partly answered
    International TradeMrs. Ève-Mary Thaï Thi Lac (Bloc) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). loaded question.The answer details enforceable labour and human rights provisions but does not address the message sent to the international community.The enforceable standards to comply with the International Labour Organization on everything from child labour to health and safety and occupation issues are very clear provisions.
  29. partly answered
    PovertyMr. Michael Savage (Liberal) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). substantive question.The answer lists existing child benefit measures but does not address the absence of a poverty reduction strategy.That is why we introduced the universal child care benefit.
  30. partly answered
    PovertyMr. Michael Savage (Liberal) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). loaded question.The answer lists tax and income measures but does not address the lack of a poverty reduction strategy.We also introduced the working income tax benefit to help lower income people get over that welfare wall and provide them with incentives to get back to work.
  31. partly answered
    Electoral SystemMs. Niki Ashton (NDP) asked Steven Fletcher (Conservative). substantive question.The answer describes identification measures for integrity but does not address specific problems in remote regions.The identification measures are designed to ensure that all eligible Canadians can vote while strengthening the integrity of the electoral process
  32. deflected
    Electoral SystemMs. Niki Ashton (NDP) asked Steven Fletcher (Conservative). substantive question.The answer defends existing reforms and suggests the member needs to adjust rather than outlining new steps for ID issues.I can see that she may need to get used to some of the to and fro in this chamber.
  33. deflected
    JusticeIrwin Cotler (Liberal) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). substantive question.The answer avoids addressing the concerns about the prosecution by labeling questions premature without engaging the listed criticisms.any questions regarding whether Canada plans to ask for the release of Mr. Khadr from Guantanamo are premature and speculative in nature as the legal process and appeals are ongoing.
  34. deflected
    JusticeMr. Paul Crête (Bloc) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). substantive question.The answer repeats that questions are premature and adds an irrelevant name correction instead of addressing repatriation.Any questions regarding whether Canada plans to ask for the release of Mr. Khadr from Guantanamo are premature and speculative in nature as the legal process and appeals are ongoing.
  35. deflected
    JusticeMr. Wayne Marston (NDP) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). substantive question.The answer cites non-interference in another nation's judicial process without responding to the call for repatriation or contrasting with other countries.The Government of Canada does not want to interfere in the judicial sovereignty of another nation.
  36. misdirected
    JusticeIrwin Cotler (Liberal) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). substantive question.The answer turns to attacking the questioner's past government role instead of addressing concerns about international messaging or rule of law.I would remind you, as well as my hon. colleagues, that my colleague was in government when Mr. Khadr was sent to Guantanamo.